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http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/

http://realidrebellion.blogspot.com/

fuck, I have a feeling it's going to be a bit ugly there when I get back.

As you've frequently said, bons, if you want privacy throw away your credit cards and move to the woods.

I can't imagine why people would be upset about national ID cards. Every dictatorship has had them.

I'm still not sure what the big deal is about National ID cards -- they're slated to be introduced here in the UK sometime, too.

I already carry a photo ID card with my address (my driver's licence) and there are numerous other ways that the goverment could, if it wanted to, discover plenty of very specific data about my daily life -- my medical records, national insurance (ie. Social Security) number, credit card history, bank statements, shop loyalty cards, voter register...

They can even track my location using mobile phone logs...and of course there my ISP logs my web browsing habits, email and so on...and Echelon is monitoring all electronic communications!

What privacy have I left, that a national ID card will take away?

It's symbolic. I find it pretty distasteful considering the whole idea of what the US is supposed to stand for. I can't remember which thread or what article it was from but someone was talking about how growing up in America we always heard that we were so much better than "those other countries". Russia, those people would put you in jail without a trial- just for speaking out against the government! things like that. America was supposedly above all of that.

It's just yet another a kick in the chops. I really can't tell if we've been lied to the whole time (and I've always been as naive as I am) or if things really are getting worse. either way it feels pretty crap.

Symbolic? Meh. If I want to get outraged about something then it seems like there are plenty more concrete concerns.

I'm surprised by nothing that comes through this Congress.

What do we need civil liberties for as long as OUR FUCKING MORAL VALUES ARE INTACT.

MORAL VALUES ARE WHERE IT'S AT!






Take THAT, Osama!

MORAL VALUES ARE INTACT

nice try, but no cigar

Originally posted by StinkFist
It's symbolic. I find it pretty distasteful considering the whole idea of what the US is supposed to stand for. I can't remember which thread or what article it was from but someone was talking about how growing up in America we always heard that we were so much better than "those other countries". Russia, those people would put you in jail without a trial- just for speaking out against the government! things like that. America was supposedly above all of that.

It's just yet another a kick in the chops. I really can't tell if we've been lied to the whole time (and I've always been as naive as I am) or if things really are getting worse. either way it feels pretty crap.

Interestingly (or scarily) enough, almost all of the provisions of the Patriot Act were already written up and ready for passage well before 9/11. The time was just so ripe for passing a bill that nobody read, filled with all of their wish-list provisions, that voting against giving up rights would have been helping the terrists.

Amusingly, Sensenbrenner's the same guy who wants to make it a felony with an automatic 5-year sentence for passing a joint to someone who was once in drug rehab.

Funny how a handful of people can create so much trouble, whether it's hijacking a jet or a country.

Funny how all the old WW2 movies would exemplify the brutish authoritarianism of the Nazis with some stormtrooper demanding the hero's papers.


:godwinates:

Alas, that's the nature of authority. Inevitably, those who desire it are the last ones on Earth to whom it should be granted.

Where is stevo with his sky is falling cut and past.

If you don't like the bill just ride your bicycle everwhere like that fucking commi hippy derickito.

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

LOVE IT

OR

LEAVE IT!



FUCK YEAH!




FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE AN OPPRESSIVE AMERICA YOU FUCKIN' COMMIE FLAG-BURNERS!!!

WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!

But guys, the only people that have need to fear this kind of slow erosion of American Freedoms are people with something to hide!

You don't have anything to hide, do you?


*points and laughs*

Here in Soviet Canuckistan we don't have any form of national photo ID because the provinces feel it would be an imposition on their powers.

You don't have anything to hide, do you?

I had to hide a car when i lived in maryland because it was not licensed

Here in Soviet Canuckistan we don't have any form of national photo ID because the provinces feel it would be an imposition on their powers.

pssffffttt haha, canada is like the u.s. was a long time ago... you guys are so far behind the times.

Not even - you had a civil war over states' rights and the ones advocating stronger states' rights lost, remember?

And what's up with the imperialistic-sounding Premiers of the provinces? Can't you come up with a better title? Like commisar?

Originally posted by arigato
Not even - you had a civil war over states' rights and the ones advocating stronger states' rights lost, remember?

yes I do, unfortunately the victorious party rewrote the history to make that war over slavery... so everytime you mention states rights, you are called a racist.

Interesting side note, on the way home from the federal capital yesterday I saw war of northern aggression re-enactors towing fairly large artillery.

The victorious party was the Republicans